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INTEREST: Mushoku Tensei Author Comments on Series' Depiction of Slavery

Key wasn't talking about personal negative opinions of fans of the franchise that you keep to yourself, but rather about people who allow their hatred to spill over into the forums.

Reality is reality, and fiction is fiction. You can enjoy both, while still acknowledging that we live in real life.

The point in my reply, since you seem to have missed it quite completely, was that I think it's silly to demand people keep these negative views entirely to themselves when we have some posters who regularly argue that "everyone" wants has urges to sexualize children, and others claiming that torture and sexual assault are appropriate replies to breaking a figurine if you're mad enough about it.

And folks like you who then defend these views by insisting "fiction is fiction", as if these are not general unqualified statements of principle, and you believe the folks espousing them are the viewer equivalents of method actors.

Who are these "everyone"? Because I don't remember anyone saying that here.

The only one calling them 'method actors" is yourself in that other thread.

It's almost like it's a succinct way of summarizing the view expressed by many people who believe comments about media have nothing to do with reality and can only be addressed or even discussed using in-world concepts. Yet, without using literally the same words as them. A shocking avoidance of copy/paste in language, I know.

And I disagree equating it quite with 'torture' and 'sexual assault' in that scene, Rudy was not the one to initiate the fight to begin with and the confinement was more of a lecture than any kind of torture, Rudy forgetting them was actually more funny if anything. Truth be told the groping scene felt more like a comedy sketch with how he tried to check his ED... though overall I agree Rudy may have went a bit far bullying the bullies, but at least the lesson was learned.

In recent years, I've heard it called the "Thermian Argument" (and I think I heard it first on ANN)

even though the originator himself admitted when he coined it that the Thermians from Galaxy Quest did not have the concept of fiction

Self-referentially making the term 'Thermian Argument' itself impossible to source in a Thermian fashion from the canon it was derived from That's great.

The very fact that it played out like this is exactly the reason it's Not a good story, because no good story would have their main character, who BTW has suffered abuse and sexual assault himself once upon a time ago, subject others to the same thing for his own personal reasons, it's inconsistent bad writing.

I respectfully disagree. I think it's a good story and the author is creating a very compelling and immersive world, and that Rudy's actions do make sense in-universe.

In recent years, I've heard it called the "Thermian Argument" (and I think I heard it first on ANN), even though the originator himself admitted when he coined it that the Thermians from Galaxy Quest did not have the concept of fiction, which is quite a separate issue from countering criticism of objectionable content in a work by using textual evidence that justifies its existence.

But it basically describes the same situation where supporters and detractors end up talking past each other because supporters are critiquing how well the narrative hangs together, and the detractors are criticizing it for the author's choices and the real-world effect of its message and how they simply don't like it, and the discussion goes around in circles. Like it has.

Well that's what I call a weak argument. Here's a better one; Rudeus has been anything but inconsistent in his groping of girls, from Lilia to Eris to now Linia and Pursena, and he'd only toned it down until recently because of his ED, his lack of sex drive, than because of some epiphany towards respecting the bodily autonomy of women. Consistency is good writing.

I'd have much more respect for Rifujin if he & his fanbase just straight up admitted what we all know by now, that he's writing these stupid subplots and relationships because he clearly he likes it. It's really not that hard

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I'd have much more respect for Rifujin if he & his fanbase just straight up admitted what we all know by now, that he's writing these stupid subplots and relationships because he clearly he likes it. It's really not that hard

I mean, he writes the story so, why wouldn't he like it? I don't remember any comment here saying otherwise. That of course has no bearing on what he or we readers like in real life.

If he simply liked it, he wouldn't try to constant make excuses for why he likes it. It gives off the impression that he's being facetious when he's trying to tell a serious story.

That's the thing tho isn't? Rudeus actual Has grown to respect the bodily autonomy of women, just look at the sex scene at the end season 1- wherein he's gone from seeing Eris as an object to get him off to recognizing where her head is at, sympathizing with her emotions and overall actually Not trying sleep with her because of how depressed she actually is.